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I have Social anxiety and admit it!
I have a fear of posting anonymously.
oh noes
Anyone else frantically updating updating bbs-like boards like thease to see if any new replys have rolled in, out of boredom?
>>7
All day at work, at home, in classes, in my sleep...
Hello.
Goodbye.
And with >>10s leave of absence, this thread has peacefully ended.
No.
I say we call >>10 back and start over.
Uhh... so
Hikikomori:s likely have some mental illness, based on what I read about the issue. The onset time matches (late adolescence/early adulthood) and several mental illnesses result in "severe social withdrawal". Also the percentage of populatuion matches...
It's not ausitm though (that has a much earlier onset).
So whatever... Someone tell them. Maybe a few of them would prefer to get help and become "normal citizens" again. It's possible.
Hikikomori probably have acute Agoraphobia (put "define Agoraphobia" in google).
Yep, it's not necessarily autism. More like social anxiety.
>>15 agoraphobia is possible but most more serious mental illnesses have similar symptoms too
>>16 in many cases it could be Avoidant Personality Disorder, a little bit stronger and more serious than your average social anxiety
>>4
Join the club.
Though I'm less keen on admitting it to most people. And i'm not a hardcore hikky, only almost.
More weirdly enough, i've hooked up with another near-hikky. -_-;;
he's worse off than me though. trying to help him get better. it's hard. =(
>>19
Stay away from those losers, for Job's sake!
I have Socialist anxiety and admit it!
>>19
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>>14
it is probably something like schizo or bipolar or somehting of that nature
>>22 knows how to make something true: just say it enough times.
I know a hikikomori, I think.
He wasn't always that way, so I was able to see his descent. At first, he was a regular, lazy student. He would often sleep during class and not take things very seriously. He was a gamer and attended LANs from time to time. In any case, he was a smart kid, even though he was lazy, and went to university.
However, he had started playing an MMORPG. Due to the game, and his already high level of laziness, he started attending less and less of his university, until eventually he flunked out. He went back to his parent's house and played the MMORPG all day and night. They wanted him to get a job, but he did not.
He is still a hikikomori, and my friend. I don't think he gets out much (if even at all). This is perhaps one of the closest things to hikikomori that might exist in the western nations. I assume he still moves out of his room to get food and such, as unlike Japanese parents, his will not totally subordinate themselves to him and bring food to his room.
He's a good guy and we still talk on instant messengers. I have quit said MMORPG, so my future is looking bright, but it is not hard to understand how someone could become hikikomori because of them. Since he's on the MMORPG, it's not like he is devoid of contact, as those games are full of social contact. But he is a hikikomori in the sense that he meets no people in reality.
Maybe his problem is (and my problem was) a case of addiction. I have escaped the addiction by realizing the pointlessness of MMORPG, and moved onto playing WoW. It's not as involving, so I can play casually and not worry about being 1337. I made a resolution to myself to only play casually, and that I would never visit a gaming site. This is because many gaming sites have forums that optimize the best way in order to become 1337. This ends up with the result of having to buy the same item everyone else is buying, usually that item costs a shitload. So, I can be a gimp in ignorance and not be addicted (hopefully, this is just a plan).
So, those were my accounts on the subject of hikikomori and MMO games. Can they still be classified as hikikomori in the classical sense, or are they not hikikomori because they talk to the outside world via internet?
The fact that someone can become addicted to an MMORPG is frightening. I suppose we can become addicted to anything, even 4-ch. Like >>7 I frequently reload anonymous BBS and such. Maybe it's from not having too many other things to do, I'm not sure. I do have a lot of unfinished 1-player games to play, so maybe it's an issue of wanting social contact.
Bye-nara~
>>25 does not know what a hikikomori is...
your friend is just an MMORPG addict who needs to get help
That was sort of the point I was trying to make when I made this thread. ;)
>>26
So I guess the answer is hikikomori can't play MMORPG?
>>27
I was actualy just being sarcastic and picking on the type of people that freak out at the mere mention that it might exist outside of Japan
I'm with >>21. I, too, get anxious whenever I am around socialists, or in a socialist situation.
lol socialist
Let's not get into an argument about what a "true" hikkikomori really is. It's a constant, unending battle even on 2ch's hiki board.
Some think that you're not one unless you urinate into bottles and never leave your room at all. Some have a lighter definition and say it's someone simply unable to leave the house. There are varying degrees, so let's leave it at that.
I worry sometimes that I'm showing signs of autism or that I'm going to have Alzheimer's when I get old, but I'm not planning on living past 30 anyway, so it's okay.
"cannot leave the room/house"?
what do you mean by that?
[s]he doesn't want to leave it (1), or she wants to but cannot for some reason (2), or (3) if they grab him/her [s]he gets mad and tries all [s]he can to avoid being taken outside?
>>34 I believe it's referring to being socially incapable of leaving the house due to shyness or anxiety or whatever it may be -- a mental conflict.
So does anyone here really have Asperger's syndrome? None of this self-diagnosed bullshit.
>>38
They're too shy to go out and get professionally diagnosed. (lol)
>>38
I have Asperger's
for me, to live in society is to constantly being an actor....
[sorry for my stupid english]
I am always on scene
Haha, I know I have something. At least APD.
Genuine aspie here. Properly diagnosed, member of a regular AS support group, and frequent vistor to DQN, altough i seldom post. I'd offer to answer quetions, but anonimity prevents this.
>>46
Why not just use Tor if you're worried about IP address? Or alternatively / auxiliarly, mask the names
I found a finals paper regarding Hikikomoris. Damned interesting reading, figured you people might want to have a look too:
http://towakudai.blogs.com/Hikikomori.Research.Survey.pdf
I was diagnosed with Asperger's syndrome, but I don't believe it. Having been diagnosed with like 52 different things in my childhood, I have little patience left for so-called "mental health professionals", who I suspect find problems where none exist so they can make money selling the solution.
>>48
what about girls? Since I am handsome girls are going mad when
then met me. they have no idea what I AM. you know girls have
stereotypes about men's behavior and about men in general
but when it comes to me none of their ideas works. lol
nothing of the kind.
I think that people with Aspergers are soon should take over the earth. because we ARE superior. too bad I have not found a girl with asperger yet...
Just a little advice to a people with Asperger.
you should start drawing or any kind of occupation that involves
creativity. it can help you to understand yourself. it helped me a lot.
second, you should get yourself free from the bounds of family.
for us such primitive things like (Family,friendship etc) are useless. because we are have the ability to see things in their
real form.
also if you a handsome person you can pursuit an actor career. lol
actors are happened to be a empty people who live in parallel universe lol, a life in the fiction. some otakus are the same.
but they lack very important things, so they can not be actors.
half super bitch and half mega cunt.
>>53
Everyone is an actor. Most people just play one part.
>>51
Girls find me cute at first. As they get to know me, they start to find me annoying. The longest relationships I've had have ended after two years or so.
>>52 I do just that. I'm a freelance artist, so I can stay home and work when I feel like it.
It gets easier to cope with once you realize that fucking isn't such a big deal after all.
But if all I was interested in was fucking, I wouldn't care if girls got tired of me after a while, now would I?
Actually, you will. After all the effort put into landing a compatible fuck buddy, you end up feeling way too attached to them to just let it go later on.
>>25
LOL that reminded me something -_-"
Oh I was already a computer geek when I got into mmorpgs but man THAT made things a bit worse LOL.... (then I discovered anime too and became unrecoverable..)
>>33
..I pissed through the window a couple times to avoid leaving the room so I qualify as a true hiki :))
so guys, I just read the entire wikipedia entry on Asperger's syndrome.
Pretty sure I don't have it because my motor skills as fine, lol.
That should have been "are fine"
Irony.
>..I pissed through the window a couple times to avoid leaving the room so I qualify as a true hiki :))
lmao
I have a friend that's destined to be a hiki. Just got out of high school a few months ago, has zero plans for a job or college and will avoid them as much as he possibly can.
He's not exactly shy, but he absolutely hates having to go outside or do anything.
i used to be like that also, after i met few outgoing friends, it change me compleatly. now stay in my room for too long can made my mood down.
>>65
1) always go out with friends
2) having some friends that are different than you
3) Open your mind
I see your true colours, shining through.
I see your true colours, and that's why I love you.
So don't be afraid, to let them show,
Your true colours, true colours,
Beautiful, like a rainbow.
;_; ~ A Song for the Hikkikomoris ~ Absent but not forgotten ~
Two minutes silence please.
(,-.-)
>>69
lol
>..I pissed through the window a couple times to avoid leaving the room so I qualify as a true hiki :))
I've done it on the carpet when I was five or so. Only time recently was when I was in the garage and did it in teh drain pipe for the water coming out of the washer.
I'm a hikikomori, and have been for almost 25 years now. It definitely is a syndrome which stands onto itself, it is a separate thing which you might catch under social anxiety and such, but it really is and should be a separate diagnosis.
In the first years your loneliness and isolation are unbearable. Then, years on, the unacceptable gradually becomes the norm. Then, slowy, after many years, you start to outgrow it and become a more voluntary hermit.
For me, childhood abuse on many levels and years of being bullied without mercy have brought it on for the most part. Hikikomori isn't autism, not even close. Autists (bless them) are born different, Hikikomori however are made (or rather: broken) by outside influences.
Autists are different by their nature and thus will forever be autistic, but can learn to cope. Hikikomori have the blessing that they can heal, but have the curse that they were broken, shattered to pieces from the whole person they once were.
If there are any fellow Hikikomori out here: bless you. Be true to your nature, and try to have faith that one day life will feel good again. Do not let yourself be forced too much by the outside world, but also do not get too comfortable in the cocoon you live in.
Be yourself, and be true to yourself. Like most hikikomori you will probably in several months or years overcome this, and if you do not succeed, you will eventually overcome the despair and pain itself.
Know that somewhere in that frightening, threatening outside world, there on a safe distance is a fellow hikikomori who sheds a tear for your anonymous sorrow, and wishes you well with all his heart.
Know that despite your isolation - you are not alone.
Add schizoid personality disorder to the list of reasons people wont go out
I've been told I had "signs of schizoid" by a social worker. I took it as an insult and stopped seeing her. I don't think I am. I'm extremely introverted which I know and I've resigned myself to some facts about the way that my social life will always be, but I still don't think that the symptoms accurately describe me. I don't "not want" relationships, I've come to terms with the fact that I suck at initiating them, and I'll take them as they come and go.
Also, I love to leave the house so long as I don't have to deal with people! I think another factor is that I'm an absolute perfectionist and I consider almost everyone I meet to be a moron. Granted, a good portion of them are, but I tend to judge people in that regard too quickly, and hold others to the same standards to which I hold myself. Paradoxically I feel no shame when I fail to meet my own standards. Just anger with myself followed by forced practice of whatever skill I have failed to execute to my standard.
I'm hikikomori, but my mother would kick me out if I didn't go to school. I end up going to a quiet place in city library to stay until I can go home, school just expects too much of me and...
At one point I really really wanted to finish school, but I tried my hardest and it wasn't good enough. Society looks down on my type, so even if I try my hardest, the school would not care, and they don't.
I spend nearly every minute awake somewhere isolated with a PC or books. Even so, this lifestyle is unbearable, but there's nothing I can do to fix my life.
I just recently found out about hikis. I guess I am one somewhat. I want to be a social person, and have good friends, but past experiences which I am unable to get over (hah, weak faget :P) hinder me from doing so.
I only leave to go to college. I'd be kicked out and unable to support myself if I just stayed in my room ALL the time.
I've been diagnosed with Aspergers, but reckon I have SPD (schizoid) because I'm so lethargic and uninterested in social contest.
And no, I'm not some Myers-Brigg fanboy but every point of the diagnostic criteria fits me like a glove (aside from the asexuality thing).
Oh yeah, and I'm 16, still live with my parents etc. so I don't have to piss out the window or shit in a bag yet. The "live in your room" thing I couldn't do; I need to walk/jog around the house a lot. And I have a perfectly good relationship with my family.
Was I the only who noticied >>25 said, I have escaped the addiction by realizing the pointlessness of MMORPG, and moved onto playing WoW.
...
I'm hikikomori.
I hate myself.
>>80 on the right track I see.
The doctor who gave me the diagnosis Asperger must have lied.
On the paper I got it sounded like having a asocial personality alone would make me an Aspergers person.
sidenote: I've been diagnosed with ADHD in the past but i think this is wholly different case.
>>74
Holden?
I have something like Hikikomori, I spend alot of time on the computer, and I don't want to leave, but when I do, I enjoy being with others, but I really don't say much, I just listen to the conversation, etc. I'm socially awkward and such.
I hate the outside world.
I've been in hikikomori for more then 4 years, and I'm to the point where I don't want to go be with the world.
As long as I'm fed and I have an Internet connection I'm happy.
Lucky for you.
But my parents i think will kick me out one day.
Beneath them i don't know a single person.
So starving and/or freezing to death is most the probably thing to happen for me :(
Let's all get our money together and buy an island. All of us Hikikomori can live there in peace.
It's better than living in the streets after our parents finally kick us out.
not aspergers or autistic, sorry. hikikomori, definitely. i agree about the hikki island lol.
>>73 made me cry
I have to repeat another year of school because I broke down and couldn't take it, but I think it's getting worse... Already I can't sleep at night because I have negative suicidal thoughts and I feel awkward around people and feel averse to going out of the house. I wasn't even this bad a year ago - I had normal dreams of going to uni with cool people and getting a job and all, but now I don't even think I can get into a technical school. It's like Satou from NHK ni Youkoso said, "I'd kill myself but I'm too lazy to - I just don't want to do anything".
So chalk that up as a hikki-in-training?
Definitely not aspergers or autistic though - I know someone who is and it's a different kettle of fish
My uncle has been hikkomori for 30 years. He's over 50.
The good news is that he's taking care of my aging grandfather. The bad news is that my grandfather really doesn't have anyone else to talk to besides him, and he's kind of a downer.
I've been a hikikomori for 6 years now.
Junior high and highschool drove me insane.I tried to kill myself, that didn't work. So one day I just locked my self in my room.My parents have tried everything to get me to come out, but they don't understand. They knew I was tortured in school,but told me to deal with it.I have only came out during the day twice since then.I only leave my house[my parents kicked me out and got me a apartment for myself] Once a week for food at night.
I hate myself more then anything. I wish I could be normal.
But in these years, I have learned english, so it's not all too bad.
But the lonelyness gets to you. Sometimes I lay on my floor and cry for hours, even though I don't even want to talk to anyone.
But I met a fellow hikikomori on mixi, and we share the same intrests, so maybe one day we will meet.
Sorry for the BAWWWWing. Haha.
Hopefully, one day I can leave the house without having a panic attack.
Tortured by the teachers, other students, gym coaches, or all three?
Not a hik myself, by nature of recognizing being far from home as a virtue. School sucked for me, though I found that as time progressed, idiots became rarer. As a freshman in high school, I was a marked man. By the time I was a senior, I was friends with some of the people who made fun of me early on.
How bad does it have to get before you go into hiding?
>>94
You have to love yourself, everything starts from there.
I recommend reading one chapter of Thus Spoke Zarathustra every day (one chapter has about 3 small pages) and thinking about it for a while.
Volunatary hermit here.
You're all a bunch of bawwwing faggots.
Hikkikomoris are constructs of Japanese culture. Social anxiety disorder is real, but I figure Hikkikomori = SocAnxDis + (Japanese culture + rapid modernization + changing expectations due to globalization).
It may actually be transitory, and may actually disappear as Japan sorts out its social issues and reconciles its culture with global society.
I originally dropped out of highschool and became a shut in for 1 1/2 years because of social anxiety and perfectionism... I thought I was too stupid to pass, which is funny considering I (like most of you) was in gifted classes at one point, and also always finished my tests first while getting A's on them, before I dropped out anyway. I'm suspecting Asperger's as well, but that's usually a scapegoat for just calling yourself a nerd.